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Case note · Breach of the peace

Scotland · Breach of the peace

LJBD / CASE / 002 · Checked 1 August 2026

Jones v Carnegie

2004 JC 136

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Issue before the court

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Must the Crown prove that somebody was actually alarmed, and how do context, protest rights, private conduct and fair notice affect the objective breach-of-the-peace test?

Precise proposition

Actual alarm is neither essential nor conclusive. The court assesses the conduct objectively in its place, time and circumstances. For conduct in private, there must be evidence of a realistic risk of discovery. Conduct that is merely offensive or disgusting is insufficient without the required serious and public character.

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  1. [1] to [3]

    Why five judges were convened and the court's review of Smith and Lucas.

  2. [9] to [13]

    Development of the offence, rejection of a subjective test and confirmation that actual alarm is unnecessary.

  3. [12]

    Private conduct requires evidence of a realistic risk that it would be discovered.

  4. [13]

    Actual alarm is not conclusive, and the absence of actual alarm is not fatal.

  5. [25] to [27]

    Place, time, circumstances, protest at the Scottish Parliament and Convention rights of expression and assembly.

  6. [36]

    Future obstruction and threatened serious disturbance in the Barret protest appeal.

  7. [43]

    A separate procedural holding concerning a contention that the conduct disclosed no crime at all.

  8. [47] to [48], [52] to [53]

    Contrasting applications: Carberry's conduct did not cross the threshold; Park's did.

Result

What happened in this case?

Jones, Tallents, Barret and Park failed in their appeals and their convictions stood. Carberry's appeal was allowed and his conviction was quashed. The consolidated decision demonstrates that the same legal test can produce different results when context and seriousness differ.

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ExplainedHigh Court of Justiciary8 October 2009

Harris v HM Advocate

[2009] HCJAC 80 · [15], [20] to [22]

Harris explained that Jones did not reject the two-part Smith test. Jones concerned public-place conduct and had not needed to decide the continuing status of Young v Heatly.

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ExplainedHigh Court of Justiciary7 September 2010

Hatcher v Procurator Fiscal, Hamilton

[2010] HCJAC 92 · [9] to [10]

The court described the private-discovery statement as obiter in its original context and rejected the idea that every family member automatically formed the relevant public or community.

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FollowedSheriff Appeal Court1 September 2023

AB v Procurator Fiscal, Hamilton

[2023] SAC (Crim) 5 · [61] to [65]

The court required evidence of a realistic risk of discovery. A notional possibility, speculation or conjecture was insufficient.

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Official judgmentConsolidated opinion in the Jones, Tallents, Barret, Carberry and Park appealsScottish Courts and Tribunals Servicehttps://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/media/r0cp4zeb/xj264-margaret-catherine-jonesplusjane-tallentsplusgaynor-barretplusfrank-jane-carberryplusjohn-park-vprocurator-fiscal-helensburgh.pdfOpen judgment copyJones v Carnegie [2004] ScotHC 25BAILIIhttps://www.bailii.org/scot/cases/ScotHC/2004/25.html